Atlantis et Tripura

Atil · Posté le: 20/01/2007 11:45 Sujet du message: Atlantis et Tripura

Selon Platon, Atlantis / Poseidonis, la capitale de l'Atlantide, était placée entre plusieurs canaux concentriques. Elle était donc constituée de trois terres séparées par des canaux.
Les mythes égyptiens parlent aussi de l'Amenti qui était constitué de trois iles séparées par des canaux (mais la, il ne s'agissait pas de canaux concentriques).

Hors les légendes de l'Inde parlent de Tripura (" triple - ville "), une ville en trois parties, située quelque part à l'ouest de l'Inde, et que le dieu Shiva aurait détruite.
Quelqu'un en sait-il plus sur cette légende ?
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hyphilis · Posté le: 23/01/2007 14:11 Sujet du message:

Bonjour a tous,

Je ne peux pas t'en dire plus sur cette légende mais je peux aux moins te dire que l'amenti est pour celui qui doute mais qui cherche avec sagesse pourtant plus facile a comprendre que l'on pourrait le penser.

Shiva est tres compliqués a décrire comme étant ce qu'elle a pu etre, tu dois connaitre tout ce qui est dit sur elle, mais sans un minimum de savoir, comprendre est impossible.

Connaitre les reponses, c'est la connaissances, comprendre le sens de ces réponses, c'est la sagesse véritable ceux qui nont pas fait la differnce ont vu leur civilisations s'éteindre.

Dans chaque histoire se cachent une part de vérité, ce qui reste un mystere.

Amicalemant Hyphilis

Atil · Posté le: 07/03/2007 11:54 Sujet du message:

J'ai trouvé la légende hindoue de la triple-ville sur le Net.
Mais elle est en anglais et c'est trop long à traduire.

A noter que des archéologues auraient retrouvé les vestiges d'une ville en trois partie du coté de l'Afghanistan, en un lieu ou les Aryens sont passé lors de leur émigration vers l'Inde.
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hyphilis · Posté le: 07/03/2007 13:10 Sujet du message:

Quelle est l'adresse du site, meme si c'est long je prendrais mon temp.

Atil · Posté le: 09/03/2007 07:49 Sujet du message:

Je n'ai pas gardé les liens.

Mais j'ai recopié les textes.

... mais il faut que je retrouve ou je les ai rangés .....
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Atil · Posté le: 09/03/2007 08:14 Sujet du message:

This legend relates to the destruction of the three evil cities Tripura, by Shiva. There are eight such legends narrating Shiva's role as the destroyer of evil.

The demon Taraka had three demon children Taarakaaksha, Kamalaaksha and Vidyunmaali. These demon princes performed severe penances towards Bhrama and won the gift of immense power. The boon that they received, granted them that they would live for a thousand years in three invincible, moving cities or forts (Tripura) and that they would be destroyed only by a cosmic arrow that would merge the three forts into one, and set them to fire. The demons, armed with this boon, wreaked havoc on the universe. At the end of the the stipulated time period, Shiva created a bow and an arrow and a charriot with the various gods and goddesses and components of the universe. With Bhrama as the charioteer, he sped across, and shot a single arrow of fire which destroyed the three cities.

Tripurantaka, is the manifestation of Shiva as the destroyer of the Tripuras. Tripurantaka is enshrined at Tiruvatikai near Chidambaram. The Veeratteswarar temple here is one of the 8 Veerata stalas celebrating Shiva as the destroyer of evil forces. Tripurantaka is also enshrined at Tiruvirkolam (Koovum) near Chennai.

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Dans Wikipedia en anglais :

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Tripura (meaning three cities, in Sanskrit) was constructed by the great architect Mayasura. They were great cities of prosperity, power and dominance over the world, but due to their impious nature, Maya's cities were destroyed by Lord Shiva. The three cities were made of iron, silver and gold and were located on earth, in the sky and in heaven, respectively.
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* 1 History of Tripura
o 1.1 Penances of the sons of Taraka
o 1.2 The construction of the three cities
o 1.3 Forebodings of the fall of Tripura
o 1.4 Lord hari descends to help
o 1.5 The destruction of Tripura
o 1.6 Mayasura Protected
* 2 References

[edit] History of Tripura

[edit] Penances of the sons of Taraka

Following the death of Taraka, who was killed by Kartikeya, his sons Tarakaksha, Vidyunmali and Kamalaksha undertook severe penances by which they pleased Lord Brahma. They requested that they be blessed with impregnable fortresses, which would be everlasting. However, as Brahma told them that nothing could be everlasting, they requested that the destruction of the cities could be brought about by a single arrow only, on the hope that it was impossible for anyone to shoot such an arrow, save Lord Shiva, of whom they were great devotees. Brahma then blessed them that such fortresses would be constructed by the architect Maya.

[edit] The construction of the three cities

The three cities which comprised Tripura were distributed thus:

* The lowest, with walls of Iron, located on earth,
* The second, with walls of silver, located in the sky, and
* The third, with walls of gold, located in heaven.

The three cities were mobile and moved in such a way that they would never be in a single line, save for a few moments in around a thousand years, when the nakshatra Pushya would be in conjunction with the moon. They were thus reassured that they were quite safe, as it would be an extremely difficult task to destroy the three cities, which aligned only momentarily, by a single arrow!

Asuras from everywhere began to flock to Tripura to live. The cities were extremely luxurious and prosperous.

[edit] Forebodings of the fall of Tripura

After several years of joy, the inherent evil tendencies of the Asuras surfaced once again and they began to oppress the good and torment the noble. In the meantime, Mayasura was engaged in the worship of Shiva. The rest of the demons attacked sages and the Devas and shattered the peace of the worlds. Finally, when Indra and the rest of the Devas despondently approached Lord Brahma for respite, Lord Brahma redirected them to Shiva and also informed them of the vulnerability of Tripura to a single arrow. Lord Shiva promised to help them and the Devas returned to combat the Asuras in a mighty war. They were also assisted by Nandi, the leader of Lord Shiva's Ganas. Even though Vidyunmali was slain by Nandi, and several other asuras were killed in the war, they were revived by water in the pool of Tripura, which had magical powers.

[edit] Lord hari descends to help

As the furious war continued between the Asuras and the Devas, even the Earth began to slip from its place. Just as Lord Brahma and lord shiva were worrying about the earth's descent, the Protector, Lord Vishnu, in the form of a massive bull, lifted the earth and restored it to its original place. He then entered Tripura and drank dry, the pool of magic water that rejuvenated the dead Asuras.

[edit] The destruction of Tripura

As the war raged on, Devas continued to struggle to match the Asuras, who used their magical powers to great effect in the war. Even though the Asuras were anticipating victory, Maya knew that Lord Shiva would enter the war on that day. It was also the day on which the three cities would align momentarily. As battle progressed on the day, Shiva arrived. Vidyunmali approached Shiva but was intercepted and killed by Nandi. Just as the cities aligned for a moment, when the Pushya nakshatra positioned appropriately, Lord Shiva strung his mighty bow, the Pinaka with a powerful arrow and shot at the cities.

[edit] Mayasura Protected

Lord Shiva immediately regretted his act, since he had forgotten to protect Maya, a great devotee of his. Realising this, Nandi raced ahead of the arrow and informed Maya of the impending doom. Instantly, Maya fled Tripura, leaving behind the great city he had constructed, which was immediately reduced to ashes, along with its inhabitants, the Asuras, by the great arrow of Lord Shiva. This destruction of Tripura, led to the appellation Tripurantaka (त्रिपुरान्तक), for Lord Shiva.

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Atil · Posté le: 09/03/2007 08:17 Sujet du message:

Lord Siva Destroys Tripura with a Single Arrow

There was an asura named Tara whose son was Taraka. Tarakasuara went to a place named Madhuvana and began to perform very difficult tapasya. He gazed at the sun and stood there with his arms raised. He stood on one leg and only on the toes of his feet. A hundred years passed. For those hundred years, Taraka drank only water and had no food to eat. For the next hundreds, he gave up water also and lived only on air. A hundred years were spent in performing tapasya inside water, another hundred years on earth and a hundred years more inside fire. For a hundred years he performed tapasya upside down, standing on his hands. And for yet another hundred years, he hung upside down from the branches of a tree.

The meditation was so difficult that Lord Brahma was pleased. He appeared before Tarakasura and said, I am pleased with your tapasya. What boon do you want? If you are pleased, replied Tarakasura, grant me two boons. The first boon should be that no one created by you should be as strong as me. The second boon should be that I should be killed only by Shiva’s son. Shiva at that point in time had no sons. Sati had died and although she had been reborn as Parvati, she had not yet married Shiva. Brahma granted Tarakasura the two boons.

The demon went to a city named Shonitapura and began to live there. All the other demons made Tarakasura their king. Thanks to the boon, Tarakasura was so strong that the easily defeated his challengers, stealing all their belongings and employing them as his servants.

Tarakasura had three asura sons named Vidyunmali, Tarakaksha and Viryavana (tripurasuras). These three began to perform tapasya. For a hundred years they meditated standing only on one leg. For a thousand more years they lived on air and meditated. They stood on their heads and meditated in this posture for yet another thousand years.

Brahma was pleased at this difficult tapasya. He appeared before them and said, What boon do you want? Make us immortal, answered Tarakasura’s sons. I can’t make you immortal, replied Brahma. I don’t have the power. Ask for something else instead. Very well, then, said Viyunamali, Tarakaksha and Viryavana. Grant us the following: Let three forts be made. The first will be of gold, the second of silver and the third of iron. We will live in these forts for a thousand years. At the end of the thousand years, the forts will become one. This combined fort will be called Tripura. And if anyone can then destroy Tripura with only a single arrow that shall be the death destined for us.

This rather unusual boon Brahma granted. There was a danava named Maya who was very good at building work. Brahma asked him to build the forts. The golden fort was built in heaven, the silver one in the sky and the iron one on earth. Tarakaksha got the golden fort, Viryavana the silver one and Vidyunmali the iron one. Each of the forts was a big as a city and had many palaces and vimanas (spaces vehicles) inside.

The demons populated the three forts and began to flourish. The demigods did not like this at all. They first went to Brahma, but Brahma said he could not help them. After all, the demons had got Tripura thanks to his boon. The gods then went to Shiva for help. But Shiva said that the demons were doing nothing wrong. As long as that was the case, he did not see why the demigods were so bothered. They next went to Vishnu, who suggested that the problem was that the demons were doing nothing wrong, the solution was to persuade them to become sinners.

Out of his powers Vishnu created a man. This man’s head was shaven, his clothes were faded and he carried a wooden water-pot in his hands. He covered his mouth with a piece of cloth and approached Vishnu. "What are my orders?" he asked Vishnu.

Let me explain to you why you have been created, replied Vishnu. I will teach you a religion that is completely against the Vedas. You will then get the impression that there is no svarga (heaven) and no naraka (hell) and that both heaven and hell are on earth. You will not believe that rewards and punishments for deeds committed on earth are meted out after death. Go to Tripura and teach the demons this religion, which they are dislodged from the righteous path. Then we will do something about Tripura.

The being did as he had been asked to. He and four of his disciples went to a forest that was near Tripura and began to preach. They were trained by Vishnu himself. Therefore, their teachings were convincing and they had many converts. Even the sage Narada got confused and was converted. In fact, it was Narada who carried news of this wonderful new religion to king Vidyunmati. King, he said, there is a wonderful new teacher with a wonderful new religion. I have never heard before. I have got converted.

Since the great sage Narada had got converted. Vidyunmati also accepted the new religon. And in due course, so did Tarakaksha and Viryavana. The demons gave up revering the Vedas, they stopped worshipping Shiva’s linga.

Vishnu and the other gods then went to Shiva and began to pray to him. When Shiva appeared, they told him that the demons had now become evil and should be destroyed. They had even stopped worshipping Shiva’s linga.

Shiva agreed to destroy Tripura. Vishvakarma was the architect of the gods. Shiva called Vishvakarma and asked him to make a suitable chariot, bow and arrow. The chariot was made entirely out of gold. Brahma himself became the charioteer and the chariot was speedly driven towards Tripura. The gods accompanied Shiva with diverse weapons.

By then a thousand years had passed so that the three forts had become a single Tripura. Shiva installed a divine weapon known as pashupata into his arrow and shot it at Tripura. The arrow burnt up Tripura into ashes in a split second. While the celebrations were going on, the shaven-heads religious teachers arrived. What are we supposed to do now? they asked.

Brahma and Vishnu told them to go and live in the desert. The last of the four eras was kaliyuga and in kaliyuga, evil would reign supreme. When kaliyuga arrived, they were to come back and begin their teaching afresh.

"There was a demon by the name Vidyunmali who was gifted with a glowing golden airplane which traveled to the back of the sun, and night disappeared because of the glowing effulgence of this plane. Thus the sun-god became angry, and with his virulent rays he melted the plane. This enraged Lord Siva. Lord Siva then attacked the sun-god, who fled away and at last fell down at Kasi (Varanasi), and the place became famous as Lolarka."

Srimad-Bhagavatam 1:7:18
Bhaktivedanta Book Trust. Text and purport of HDG A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Srila Prabhupada.

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The Sanskrit writings of ancient India contain several descriptions of Atlantis, and even assert that Atlantis was destroyed as the result of a war between the gods and Asuras (recalling the war between the gods and the Titans). Present day scholars are so steeped in Greek and Roman (western) literature that Indian sources are too often ignored.

A passage in Sanskrit from the Mahabharata

The Vishnu Purana (2000 B.C.), one of the oldest of the Hindu Puranas, speaks of Atala, the "White Island," one of the seven dwipas (islands) belonging to Patala (Book II, chaps. i, ii, and iii). This old text locates Atala geographically on the seventh (heat, or climate) zone, which according to Francis Wilford (the translator) is 24 to 28 degrees north latitude, putting it in the same latitude as the Canary Islands just off the North African coast. Col. Wilford rightly calls Atala, "Atlantis, the White Island". (Wilford, 1808)

At least one "authority" has attempted to identify Atala with Italy, but Italy is not an island. Also, Italy is 38 to 45 degrees north latitude. Finally, I fail to see any possibility that the "Western Ocean," mentioned as its location, could be the Mediterranean when the Karna Parva of the Mahabharata clearly describes Africa as comprising that ocean's eastern shoreline. If the ocean mentioned is the Atlantic Ocean, then the west shore of Africa would make up a large part of its eastern shoreline.

Another non-Sanskrit scholar implies that Atala might be one of the well-known northern lands, such as Iceland or Greenland, and that the epithet "White Island" refers to its being covered with snow the majority of the time--even the mythological Hyperborea has been suggested. Unfortunately, this does not seem to be the case.

Atala and Sveta Dwipa ("White Island") are not the only names for Atlantis in Sankrit lore. Another name, Saka Dwipa, is used just as often in the Puranas; and according to the Sanskrit Dictionary, Saka Dwipa means "island of fair skinned people." It seems quite probable that "white" refers to the islands inhabitants, rather than to the dominant color of the island--although it should not be imagined that all Atlanteans were white.

The terms "Atala" and "White Island" are used also by the Bhavishna Purana. Here it is stated that Samba, having built a temple dedicated to Surya (the Sun), made a journey to Saka Dwipa, located "beyond the salt water" looking for the Magas (magicians), worshippers of the Sun. He is directed in his journey by Surya himself (i.e., journeys west following the Sun), riding upon Garuda (the flying vehicle of Krishna and Vishnu) he lands at last among the Magas.

The Mahabharata also refers to "Atala, the White Island", which is described as an "island of great splendour." It continues: "The men that inhabit that island have complexions as white as the rays of the Moon and they are devoted to Narayana . . . Indeed, the denizens of White Island believe and worship only one God." (Santi Parva, Section CCCXXXVII)

This well-known Sanskrit epic contains more than one account of a powerful islandic empire in the Atlantic which sank to the bottom of the "Western Ocean" following a horrendous war. It doesn't take much imagination to link Atala with Atlantis. (For more information, click on War of the Gods either here, or after going to the "Aircraft from India" page, via the appropriate icon on Home Page.)

The Santi Parva also describes Atala as being inhabited by white men who never have to sleep or eat. (Ibid.) Interestingly enough, the Greek historian Herodotus (450 B.C.) describes a tribe of Atlanteans who "never dream and eat no living thing". (History, Book IV) Can this be coincidence? And just as the god Poseidon is very much involved in the Atlantis story, likewise in the Sanskrit accounts we find Varuna (the Hindu Poseidon) very much involved in Atala.

Another description is remarkably similar to Plato's, even down to its circular capital city, Tripura! Tripura is made in three concentric parts, just as Plato's Metropolis is divided into three parts by concentric canals. During the war of the gods and Asuras, the wicked cities of the Asuras began to fall, one by one, amidst loud cries of woe. "Burning those Asuras, he [the hero] threw them down into the Western ocean" (Karna Parva, Section XXXIV).

Concerning the "concentric arrangment" of Tripura, a recent archeological discovery of a fortified palace in Bactria, India, known as Dashly-3, turned out to be a concentric 3-ringed structure of the "tripura type". [Their words, not mine.] The archaeologists, excavating under the auspices of the Archaeological Departments of Pakistan and India (Mahadevan, 15), also state that the Dasyas, the builders of Dashly-3, were "Asura-worshippers".

In the Surya Siddhanta, an ancient Sanskrit text on astronomy, the translator (W. D. Whitney, 1860) mentions an "island" (dwipa) called Jambu Dwipa, surrounded by rings of alternating land and water. I am tempted to equate Jambu Dwipa with the Atlantean capital, which Plato describes as surrounded by circular canals, "making alternate zones of sea and land" (Critias).

The geographical specifics given in the above writings render the location of the powerful island civilization known as Atala beyond question: Atala was a large island, containing numerous cities, located off the western shore of Africa in the Atlantic Ocean. Following a tremendous war, the island with all its cities and inhabitants, was sent burning to the bottom of that ocean, after which peace prevailed. To attempt to separate these accounts from Plato's Atlantis is an exercise in triviality.

I believe the above accounts constitute ample evidence that my years of research have not been wasted. Perhaps literary scholars' assertion that no pre-Platonic accounts of Atlantis exist should be seriously reconsidered.
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hyphilis · Posté le: 13/03/2007 12:10 Sujet du message:

Je n'ai pas le temps de traduire ce texte en ce moment.
( Parler anglais c'est utile PDT_020

)

Mais ca à vraiment l'air tres interessant, et riche en connaissance.

Merci Atil

kriptonis · Posté le: 13/03/2007 15:59 Sujet du message:

Salut à tous ...

L'important n'est pas la langue ...mais la source .........

Comme pour les drogues Atil , donnes tes sources .....

Merci .....
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Atil · Posté le: 18/03/2007 20:25 Sujet du message:

L'une de ces sources est Wikipédia, version anglaise.
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hyphilis · Posté le: 19/03/2007 18:24 Sujet du message:

Oué c'était deja écrit en meme temps et je ne suis pas arriver à trouver en version anglaise.

Voila ce que ca donne en francais :

Cette légende se relie à la destruction des trois villes mauvaises Tripura, par Shiva. Il y a huit telles légendes relatant le rôle de Shiva comme le destroyer du mal.

Le démon Taraka a eu trois enfants de démon Taarakaaksha, Kamalaaksha et Vidyunmaali. Ces princes de démon ont exécuté des penances graves vers Bhrama et ont gagné le cadeau de l'immense puissance. L'avantage qu'ils ont reçu, accordé les qu'ils vivraient pendant mille années dans trois invincibles, les villes ou les forts (Tripura) et celui mobiles ils seraient détruits seulement par une flèche cosmique qui fusionnerait les trois forts dans un, et les ont placés au feu. Les démons, armés avec cet avantage, limité les dégats sur l'univers. À la fin la de la période de temps stipulée, Shiva a créé un arc et une flèche et un charriot avec les divers dieux et déesses et des composants de l'univers. Avec Bhrama comme aurige, il a expédié à travers, et a tiré une flèche simple du feu qui a détruit les trois villes.
Tripurantaka, est la manifestation de Shiva comme destroyer du Tripuras. Tripurantaka est enchâssé chez Tiruvatikai près de Chidambaram, Le temple de Veeratteswarar ici est l'un des 8 stalas de Veerata célébrant Shiva comme destroyer des forces mauvaises. Tripurantaka est également enchâssé chez Tiruvirkolam (Koovum) près de Chennai.

C'est juste la premiere partie.

hyphilis · Posté le: 24/04/2007 16:59 Sujet du message:

http://www.webfacto.com/partieTEXTES/ASavoret/Psyche/table.html

C'est un site que j'ai bien aimé, il y'a une histoire entre jesus et shiva qui est interessant a lire.


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